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Friday, September 8, 2017

Revealed: How Nazi 'Angel of Death' Josef Mengele escaped Israeli spies TWICE as they tracked down the evil doctor to try and put him on trial

Israel's intelligence agency Mossad missed at least two chances to capture infamous Nazi fugitive Dr Josef Mengele, who sent hundreds of thousands of Jews to their death at Auschwitz, a former agent has revealed.

Rafi Eitan, who commanded the audacious capture in 1960 of top Nazi Adolf Eichmann in Argentina, said that during the hunt he and his team discovered Mengele's hideout.
'At the same time as we caught Eichmann, Mengele was living in Buenos Aires. We found his apartment and kept it under observation,' he told Israeli public radio as the spy agency declassified its file on operations against the man known to prisoners as the 'Angel of Death'.

Yediot Aharonot newspaper, citing the newly available material, said that Mengele as chief medical officer at Auschwitz had 'sent hundreds of thousands of Jews to the gas chambers with a wave of his hand'.
'He also directed shocking 'medical' experiments on prisoners,' it wrote.

Eitan, 90, said that while the Mossad had Eichmann in a safe house ahead of smuggling him out of Buenos Aires in an El Al plane, the agency's chief, Issar Harel, wanted them to move against Mengele as well, but he argued against the plan.
'I didn't want to carry out two operations at the same time because we had one succesful operation in the bag, and in my experience if you try to carry out another one you put them both at risk,' Eitan said.


As a compromise he stayed on in Argentina to keep tabs on Mengele, while his teammates took Eichman, as the main architect of the Nazi Holocaust, back to Israel, where he was later tried and hanged.
'Mengele wasn't at home and the neighbours said he would be back in a week,' Eitan continued.
'We waited a week but in the meantime his (Eichman's) capture was announced to the world and Mengele never returned to his apartment in Buenos Aires.'
Some of the diaries of feared Nazi war criminal Dr Josef Mengele, the so-called "Angel of Death" who carried out gruesome medical experiments at Auschwitz
Some of the diaries of feared Nazi war criminal Dr Josef Mengele, the so-called 'Angel of Death' who carried out gruesome medical experiments at Auschwitz
The Mossad team missed him again when he was spotted in Brazil, Eitan added.
'At the end of 1962 Mengele was positively identified at a farm near Sao Paulo.'
But Mossad chief Issar Harel resigned early the next year and his successors did not approve an operation against Mengele as they had other priorities around the world, he said.
Yediot's Ronen Bergman told Israeli army radio in an interview that the Mossad files revealed some embarrassing slips, such operatives looking for Mengele 'for a large part of the time in Paraguay when in fact he wasn't there,' but actually in Brazil.
He wrote in the paper that there was also a costly 1983 operation in West Berlin to bug and follow Mendel´s son Rolf in the hope that he would lead agents to his father.
Mossad also deployed an 'intelligent and attractive' female agent posing as a private secretary to try and get close to Rolf and pry information from him, he wrote, but without success.
He quoted the Mossad archive as listing another plan, not implemented, where a caller claiming to be a close friend of Mengele would call Rolf and tell him that his father was gravely ill and he should go to him at once.
This photograph shows a group of Gypsy children who were subjects of Dr. Josef Mengele's research at Auschwitz between 1943 and 1945 
This photograph shows a group of Gypsy children who were subjects of Dr. Josef Mengele's research at Auschwitz between 1943 and 1945 
Unknown to the Mossad, Josef Mengele had died in a drowning accident in Brazil in 1979.
His death was only confirmed in 1985, after his body was exhumed.
Mengele was a notorious member of the team of doctors responsible for choosing who would be selected for the gas chambers and who would suffer deadly experiments.
He had an obsession with twins, killing the majority of his victims in macabre experiments he claimed where meant to test the 'limits of human endurance.'
He injected blue dye into the eyes of children, starved babies to death to see how long they could live without food, amputated body parts and transplanted organs without anaesthetic.
In all he was responsible for millions of Jewish deaths, more than any other concentration camp officer, which was why he was nicknamed the 'Angel of Death'. 
Group of SS officers in Auschwitz: From left, Karl Hoecker, Dr. Josef Mengele, Karl-Friedrich Hoecker
Group of SS officers in Auschwitz: From left, Karl Hoecker, Dr. Josef Mengele, Karl-Friedrich Hoecker

57 comments:

Elie W. said...

You have to wonder why HKBH lets evil monsters like Mengele live to a ripe old age while also allowing innocent Jewish children to be thrown into fires, and you don't see the justice. Where is the justice? Is it a hidden thing? Is it a type of justice we don't recognize? Don't tell me "the next world" because you really don't know. No one does. We need to see justice in this world.

AishKodesh said...

My dear brother, I myself cannot give you a sufficient answer. But I can tell you this: #1, There is for sure (and I know for a fact) a next world. You too will get a reward in it.

And #2, Hashem's justice IS sometimes hidden. In fact it is often hidden. There is an opinion from the Gemara (or somewhere in Chazal) that Hashem sometimes rewards the evil in this world in order to get rid of them from the next. But down here, how does that look?

The truth is though that no person really (as far as I know) knows the answer to the Holocaust and Divine Justice. But one thing is for sure, achi; one day we will all know the answer; one day we will clearly see with our own eyes how everything that has ever happened has been part of an Ultimate Plan; one day everyone will see that Hashem is One...

I wish you and your family a wonderful Shabbos, my dear brother.

Kol Tuv!

a yid said...

Idiot what you are Mr. Or Ms.Elie W. I hope you Don't called your self a jew and I hope you are not a jew at all because the way you are talking against God and you have to see justice on this world "who the hell are you" are you in charge in this world I mean you know what going on let the rebono shel olem do his work and if he want to pay him beck on the coming world he is the boss and not you and stop with your nasty comments "like no one know about the other world" no one wants to hear from your friken stinky mouth

a yid said...

I hope you are not a jew at all and "who the hell you think you are". You should close your stinky mouth and stop telling God when to punish some one and don't tell God if this world is better to bring a nazi to justice because you don't control the world

AishKodesh said...

Now hold on a second, a yid: Everyone has questions, and even if at times they seem offensive, and it is up to us to answer them in a clear, calm, and nice way. I myself have had questions and, Baruch Hashem, my Rebbeim answered them in such a kind and patient way, helping me to continue in the Derech HaTorah.

Anonymous said...

A yid,
you should change your name to "A criminally insane ignorant savage'
CHAIM

Anonymous said...

To "A YID". You are a moron.

Anonymous said...

Elie W
It's the same reason that since the dawn of time billions of people were murdered and massacred in senseless wars and massacres,God has created human beings with free will,and that free will is absolute it can even go against Gods wishes (see OHR HACHAIM HAKODOSH PARSHAS VAYESHEV) also RAMBAM in MOREI NEVUCHIM.
Anyone insinuating that HAKADOSH BARUCH HU deliberately arranged for the Nazi's to gas and burn six million Jews including one and half million YIDDISHE KIDERLECH is a vicious insane monster and APIKOROS.
Therefore Elie W,please understand it was not God who gassed these one and a half million children,it was the humans who exercised their free will to do evil,and please don't let anyone (whether rav,Avigdor Miller or the Satmar Rav) convince you that this was the will of HASHEM
CHAIM

Abe said...

AishKodesh 5:04PM,

How do you know this for a fact? If it's a fact how do you prove it? Perhaps it's your or someone else's opinion, but a fact??

Elie W. said...

I never said HKBH killed the 6 million. That was done by Gentiles. But he did allow the evil ones such as Mengele to live out to a ripe old age, with women, wine and song. Not just Mengele, but many others who never paid the price for murdering Jews. There is no divine justice in this world, that is obvious. And if you want to tell me the next world, that is a belief, not a fact. You can call it a fact but you are misusing the word since you can't prove it. I hope it is true, but I don't know. No one knows.

AishKodesh said...

Reb Abe and Elie, #1, Don't worry. Your hope is true. Hashem alludes to the Next World many times. So it isn't just an opinion, for certain.

But secondly, there are various accounts of the Next World and Heaven. Even ones from nowadays. Can we bring absolute proof? No. Even if Hashem revealed it to me, I still couldn't prove it unless He performed a blatant Miracle for everyone else to see. But should we not believe things that can't be proven as well? Is there any proof for what is at the bottom of the ocean, for example, or if there is a bottom of the ocean? Nobody (or not many people) has seen it (as far as I know). But isn't it still there?....

There is Divine Justice in this world, but as I said before, my dear Elie, it sometimes seems like not, C"V, because at times, Hashem lets evil people live long lives full of "happiness and enjoyment" in this world, because they will be destroyed in the next -- and you, you, my dear brother, will have a Portion with Hashem in the Eternal Delight of the Next World! Someday we will all understand the Justice behind everything. May that day come very soon for us all, Amein.

Kol Tuv, my friends!

Anonymous said...

Moshe rabeinu asked the same question aabout tzadik vra lo. In a mishe in Avos it says openly Ayn lonu meshalvei reshoim vlo myisurei tzadikem, we won't know the answers until eliyahu hanavi explains it.

Anonymous said...

But Mossad chief Issar Harel resigned early the next year and his successors did not approve an operation against Mengele as they had other priorities around the world
As usual lying and twisting the facts so the Zionist murderers should look good when in fact harel gave the stop order of capturing this mass murderer "as they had other priorities around the world"! Why don't you mention what those priorities were? These priorities were well known at the time, actually harel himself mentions it in his book, and you know what the more important and urgent priority was? The Zionist Ameleikim needed the mossad spies to search and find Yossela Shochmacher and make sure he shouldn't ח"ו stay with his grandfather and grow up a Jew but to transform him to פוקר עול תורה ומצוות and atheistic Zionist, that was the "more important priority" of the Zionist Nazis
As חז"ל tell us הרוצה לשקר ירחיק עדותו

Anonymous said...

Elie W
I just finished explaining to you that God gave humans free will and it is absolute,in other words,God does not tell anyone to do evil and the same time does not prevent anyone from doing evil "that is the meaning of free will" otherwise free choice would have no meaning and we would be no more than robots controlled by HASHEM,and that was not the reason for the creation of human beings
CHAIM

Dusiznies said...

2:57
Im not going to comment on your bizarre understanding of why the Mossad abandoned Mengele, anyone who read up on any of the info regarding the capture of Eichmann ym"s and the non-capture of Mengela would see that you are insane ...
but what I do want to comment on is Yossella Schumacher .....
I happen to have met him on a trip to Israel in 2015 on a bus to Yam Ha'melech ... and as we got talking, he introduced himself as Yossele Schmacher ....
So to my readers ... Yossele Schumacher is a Mizrachi Shomer Torah Um'itzvos ... and finally I believe that any child should not be torn away from a mother for any reason unless she is incompetent ...
it is not the business of Satmar to tear children away from their parents even if they will be brought up not frum .... the grandfather was absolutely wrong and he had no business taking Yossele ,,, today he would sit in jail as he should ......
why don't you take away the children from OTD parents ,....
entire Monroe families are leaving Yiddishkeit r"l ....lets take those children away ...and let's see what the FBI would think about that

Anonymous said...

2,57 %% your twisting the facts and lying about Harel said. Eichman was the big catch plus they had to deal with that and other priorities. It didn't take many ageents to find Shumacher, in any case they did the right thing and reutrned him to his rightful parents, the fanatics had no right to kidnap a child from from his parents, are you crazy? I read harels book , youre lying about what he wrote.הרוצה לשקר ירחיק עדותו

Anonymous said...

I srael went through a lot of trouble when they captured Eichman. Argentina was pissed off and there was criticism by other countries as to why they snuck him out without judicial process, so they didn't focus on Mengele because Eichmann was the bigger fish and the bigger story. The ant-Zionists are still enraged because the Israelis returned a stolen child to his parents, not like any of these big shots would be happy if someone stole their child.
Stealing a person is the Lo Signov of the 10 commandments, but these lunatics don't believe in our Torah but in theirs, whtever that is

Anonymous said...

Kidnapping is a capital crime according to the Torah.

From Jewish Treats Thou Shalt Not Steal A Person


What is so serious about the act of kidnaping that it merits inclusion in the Ten Commandments? Central to God's creation of humankind is His gift of free-will. Slavery is permitted in the Torah because the slave becomes a slave through his own actions (stealing, enemy in war). When a person steals another person, however, the victim unjustly loses the important human element of freedom.

In a situation where a kidnaping has occurred, Jewish law places tremendous weight on the act of redeeming the captive. Rabbah ben Mari explained (Talmud Bava Batra 8b) that captivity is worse than natural death, sword and famine, and therefore the redemption of captives is a religious duty of the greatest importance.

Maimonides (Rabbi Moses ben Maimon/Rambam Spain/Egypt/Israel 1135 - 1204) wrote that the act of pidyon shevuyim, redeeming the captive, was part of three different mitzvot in the Torah: 1) "you shall not harden your heart" (Deuteronomy 15:7); 2) "you shall not stand idly by the blood of your brother" (Leviticus 19:16); and 3) "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18).

AishKodesh said...

@2:47 PM, there is indeed Divine Justice in this world. We just can't usually see it.

Anonymous said...

Just trying to understand your logic , So you prefer that the Zionists spent less manpower on Yossel and let his parents suffer and more on Mengele which was not even Israel's obligation but the Allies as in Nurenberg, even Eichman wasn't their responsibility.
You're ok with Eichman's capture , not with Mengele's noncapture nor Yossele's capture. The Americans could have arrested Mengele and preferred not to. Are you ok with the Entebbe raid that saved Jewish lives and cost Israel Commander Netanyahu or their risky secret assassinations of enemies around the world to avenge Jewish blood or their prevention of 70 potential terrorist acts this summer in July alone?
You stink like horse manure.

Anonymous said...

2:57 PM , r u a mother????

Abe said...

AishKodesh 5:31PM,

If you usually can't see Divine Justice then it exists in your mind only. And if there is something that you claim is justice on an extraordinary grand or small scale, it is your opinion only.

Anonymous said...

Harel's priorities were correct because they were normal.
When a child goes missing , you invest all resources to find him immediately, Mengele's case could wait because he was no longer a threat. Your Hatzolah medics do exactly the same. If somebody's missing, the whole world stops and everybody is focused on rescue above all else. Are you married with children?

Anonymous said...

Is it our Free Will that puts questions and doubts in our minds?

AishKodesh said...

Abe, aboslutely not. Something you can't see is certainly not just in your mind. You see, in Judaism, we do not just believe things: We believe -- and know -- the truth.
When Hashem gave us the Torah, He revealed to us forever the Truth! But a person has the free will the believe the truth or not, I guess...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Is it our Free Will that puts questions and doubts in our minds?

September 12, 2017 at 4:14 AM
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No,it is the amazing most powerful computer (the brain) that HASHEM put into our head that lets us analyze and deduct and ask questions and try to figure out what the truth is and what this world is all about,therefore asking questions and having doubts for someone using his brains there is nothing wrong about,this is exactly why HASHEM gave you that amazing little machine in your head,he realy wants you to use it.
CHAIM

AishKodesh said...

Refreshing point, CHAIM.

Abe said...

AishKodesh 10:39AM,

You believe and know the truth? Muslims, Evangelical Christians, Bhuddists have beliefs as deeply rooted as yours. Why? -- because they believe their Koran, New Testament and Pali Canon to be as the deepest well of truth as your God-of-the-Torah is. Your faith truths can't all be the solitary infallibility. You all can't be right because your faith for the most parts contradict each other, but you can all be wrong and in my opinion you all are.

Anonymous said...

Abe,
the beliefs of the groups you mention all come from Judaism, there isn't a an original idea there , all from us. Even meditations and yoga come from Avraham Aveinu, when he gave the 'matanot' which means this. There are no contadictions, n;y different ways of the Torah which was meant to be so it isn't a robotic religion. Only contradictons came about due to forgetting FACTS, not of dogma. There are the ways of Hillel and Shammai, the disputes are about law not about basics of the Torah, which provides one dayan to say one thing and another to rule another way. This was meant to be so that we have a vibrant living Torah, not a set of stones. You really need to brush up on your knowledge of the Torah.

Abe said...

Anonymous 5:36 PM,

Your arguments for your faith are irrelevant because they are unfalsifiable. Muslims believe their religion trumps yours because it came later. You say the contrary because it came earlier. Who is to say who is right? It's your opinion and nothing more.

Anonymous said...

Abe you're playing games. They came later and stole from us. Nothing original about them except add ons, so any logical person sees who's right. The only original kind of other 'faith' is the Canaanite one, throwing family into fire or an old father to dogs , as they did. So where are they now?
It is irrelevant to you,but not to billons who believe in the Judeo- Christian values, any honest Christian or Muslim will admit to our foundation. From the way you write , it doesn't seem that you clearly thought this through in depth, you're also upset that others believe, and that's a dead giveaway about yourself, have a nice day.

Abe said...

Anonymous 9:05 PM,

Exactly what games do you accuse me of playing? Do you even comprehend what "unfalsifiable " means?
It matters nothing that billions of Christians or Muslims admit that elements of Judaism were incorporatated into Islam or Christianity. Those billions say that who came first does not determine whose religion is correct because you cannot prove religious truth through the lens of whose religion appeared first. Were that the case, Hinduism is what you should be practicing because it appeared much earlier than Judaism. To those who practice Islam, theirs is the religion of truth because it came later than Judaism. Can you prove their religion is flawed because it came later? Of course not because who came first cannot determine religious truth. If you say it does, it is your opinion only. And as you know opinions are like bellybutons-- everybody has one.
As far as me being upset about your beliefs, It matters little to me if you believed in Zoroastrian religion. I only demonstrated that the method you use to try to establish the superiority of Orthodox Judaism is an exercise in broken logic and you employ that artifice very well.

Anonymous said...

so that the major relgions hold of the major tenets of Judaism means nothing? It has nothing to do with first or later, so Hinduism isn't relevant here, if so, then the generations before matan Torah who believed in all kinds of idol worship woudl be correct, evidently they got wiped out with their beliefs. Still, the G-D who gave Torah later, also orderd 7 Noahide laws for mankind at the beginning and yes, it's considered Judaism because there are laws about them in our Torah. Take away Judaism and there's no Christianity nor Islam . If that's broken logic so be it.

Anonymous said...

first it's contradictions, then unfalsifiable, funny how the major religious philosophers who crafted these religions weren't bothered by all that, they just swooped in took the essence of Judaism , they read Psalms in church, priest wears pseudo Kohen clothes , Moslems pray , fast Jerusalem, Isaac and all , yet Abe is bothered by our truth and don't seem upset with theirs. Lastly, they can believe in their dogmas and still get rewarded if they live justly while we must perform mitzvos and learn Torah to get ours.

AishKodesh said...

Abe, let me give you answer that does not involve being abonoxious, etc. :)

The flat out truth is: Hashem gave us the Torah and revealed the truth to us. I don't care what other religions believe or think they know -- we actually KNOW the truth. Don't you believe Hashem?

Abe said...

AishKodesh 10:42 AM,

Yeah, that's the flat out truth like the truth of the Gedolim of the Talmud declaring that the earth is flat.
I too have little concern what other religions consider to be the truth because they could be as impervious to the truth as you are. I try to identify truth as a notion not contradicted by scientific theory and repeatable experimentation. I'm glad you KNOW the truth, but how you arrive at that conclusion is the determining factor of the veracity that separates your religion from theirs.
And sure I believe Hashem but first I need to know exactly what he is saying, an exercise in which you sorely deficient.

Abe said...

Anonymous 10:21 AM,

You're right.
Those religious philosophers who crafted those religions weren't bothered by the fundamental challenges to their religions because those religions KNEW without doubt that only theirs was the true one. They all KNEW just like you that unfalsifiability didn't apply to them because theirs was the only TRUE religion. Seems that the essence of their religion is much the same philosophical foundation as yours -- you all claim infallibility. Unfalsifiability just doesn't apply to you because only your religion is the true one. Logically, there's little difference between you and them. Unless of course you employ the well known standards of broken logic to justify your infallibility.

Anonymous said...

Fact check: Where do chazal say that the earth is flat?
They and Zohar talk about earth as being one of the celestial galgalim, meaning round. talk about unfalsifability

Anonymous said...

Maybe it is inferred from the 'four corners of the earth' mentioned somewhere in holy script. For a long time the earth was considered to be flat by most people, religious or not, until science proved otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Who invented unfalsifability, who says it's an absolute axiom, why are you in love with this obscure hypothesis, why should I live by it, what does it prove, and who says it proves anything?
unfalsifabilityfbity is itself not proven to be true.

Dusiznies said...

8:18
Way before scientists proved that the world is round Tosfos in Tractate Sanhedrin
העולם ככדור .... " The world is shaped like a ball" .... I am not aware where it says anywhere in Shas that the world is flat except that there were ראשונים that believed that the world was flat

Anonymous said...

The 4 corners of the earth refers NOT to planet earth, but to the way beyond entire universe. Gemarrah and Tosfos also state that Alexander the Great flew upward in a balloon like structure and the earth as round.

Anonymous said...

Abe u sound sure of urself. did u ever think that you too and your theories are not infallible/ how r u different than everything else/
u too can't prove a darn thing/ everything is ur opinion, so Y argue against the other positions/

Abe said...

Dusiznies 9:37AM,

Thank you for your inquiry and response.
Here is where "Chazal" claim the earth is flat.
Here is where it is explicated better than I can.

http://daatemet.org.il/en/torah-science-ethics/scientific-errors-in-torah/what-the-sages-knew-about-the-shape-of-the-earth/

And another:
http://haemtza.blogspot.com/2013/12/rabbi-meiselman-science-torah-and-chazal.html?m=1

I can cite a number of others, but these will suffice for now. But if you want other examples of Chazal fallibility, spontaneous generation of lice and path of the sun around the earth will do.

Abe said...

Anonymous 9:12AM,

Do you even know what unfalsifiability even means??
I usually don't respond to foolish responses like yours, but will only do so because your response is like saying that algebra is an obscure hypothesis. Why don't you live without that also?
You demonstrate why so many people go OTD and in your case of vapid stupidity demonstrate why many formerly frum Yidden find a reason to do so.

AishKodesh said...

Abe, the Torah is what Hashem is saying and says! No other proof is necessary.

Abe said...

AishKodesh 11:41 AM,

The Koran is what Allah is saying and says! No other proof is necesssry. And if Allah doesn't impress you, you can always rely on Jesus or the Hindu(?) Elephant god.

Anonymous said...

Abe,
ur kidding , right @@@@@ ? I just checked on your first link daatmet. What convoluted rubbish. Nowhere in that article does this guy prove that chazal said that the earth is flat , it's this smart alec's deduction of chazal's words which he doesn't even begin to understand. This guy is putting words into Rabbi Yehuda's mouth which he never indtended, many chazal's words are midrashic which only holy people understand completely.
Your second link which discusses sun and earth and which revolves around whom is not a scientific fact. Anybody can Google respectable scientists who destroy the earth around the sun theory. I
'll accept chazal's words especially since its impossible to prove either way at this time. It';s a deep discussion and you just want to clipboeard some drivel in a little box comment.
Nobody that went OTD ever heard of your cockamamie unfalsifiability crap, so don't blame otd on that.nobody in 100 million people ever heard of it except you and some other sceptics and want to troll everybody else. Even if true, it prove anything against our Torah because there are differences of opinion about many things but that doesn't take away any truth of the Torah at Sinai from G-D to the Jewish people.

Anonymous said...

algebra even if not obscure, is practically useless to regular people but still a provable theory while unfalsifability is a theory which cannot be proven at all.

Anonymous said...

If anyone is interested in unfalsifiabilty BS ,read this link destroying this theory once and for all by John McGowan it's short and to the point.
www.jmcgowan.com/Myth.pdf

Anonymous said...


Some of Dr. McGowan's point.

Falsifiability is a myth. In the messy real world of observations and experiments , theories often must be modified to accommodate new evidence.Since any theory can be modified with ad hoc assumptions to agree with contradictory observations and experiments , no theory is strictly falsifiable whether it is called science or not.
Criteria for judging a modification to a theory unreasonable and therefore rejecting the modification must be added to falsifiability to have a real meaning. Falsifiability is often a double standard.
Politically unpopular, unorthodox, or simply new theories are demanded to be strictly falsifiable, a condition that can never be met.

AishKodesh said...

Abe, why are you being so cynical? You clearly know in your own mind what the truth is, so why are you questioning it? And if you don't clearly know the truth, then you must be having struggles with the Yetzer Hara (that perhaps you don't even realize), and you should try to overcome them. I have had stuggles like that before.

But as my mother shteichyeh once told me, (not an exact paraphrase) questions are good when they are meant to discover an answer; but when they are just meant to put doubt into other's minds or ridicule things, they are not. Please explain to me your point of view...

Anonymous said...

1,55 . You're correct ,Its' amazing how many scientists believe the Chazal's version of the sun revolving around the earth and they're not even jewish.
YouTube has a few to start.

Abe said...

Anonymous 1:55PM
said:

"...many chazal's words are midrashic which only holy people understand completely."
LOL! So only you and your minions are deemed holy enough to determine which of Chazal's many words are Midrashic and which are not. You don't have to be knowledgeable and scholarly in the matter under consideration, just holy. Many people hollier and much more learned than you reject your contention. Don't like the plain meaning of Rabbi Yehuda's words? Just mutter "midrashic".


"ll accept chazal's words especially since its impossible to prove either way at this time."
So what you're saying is that you'll accept possible falsity since you can't prove either side's contention to be true or false. Do you even understand the irony of your argument?
The rest of your response welcomes similar dismissal because it's established on similar broken language.

Abe said...

Anonymous 2:07PM'

Next time you use a long suspension bridge, just ignore that obscure useless algebra. Nah, those civil and structural engineers don't need math to bile a long bridge. It's obscure and useless. This is the result of a secular education that doesn't extend beyond the eighth grade.

Abe said...

Abe 9:24 PM,

That should be broken logic, not broken language.

Anonymous said...

By a show of hands, how many here use algebra ( besides the bridge, flush toilets and pyramid builders) since you flunked it in eighth grade? I thought so.
You think religious men & women are ignorant savages because they don't subscribe to your little collections of semi- knowledge mishmash which you misinterpret and misapply.
Except for ultra Hassidic and Litvish yeshivot, most of us are literate and knowledgable ,same as Your Majesty.
Happens, that I have a PhD in American history, specifically the Revolutionary War era , teach in a major university in N.J., and work on my faith every day. There are many orthodox who are successful in so many professions or at the very least have keen interest in a variety of disciplines but never waver from their commitment to G-D and commandments.
We realize that one can see spirituality and G-Dliness in every aspect of nature , be it cerebral or empirical, and actually compliments our faith instead of discouraging it.
You made the "taffel" the "Ikar" instead of the other way around.
Hope and pray you find your way back, because you don't sound like a happy person right now.